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Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Lebanon, Virginia, USA
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Today's discussion question
'America: love it or leave it, pink-o.'
Discuss.
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Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Lebanon, Virginia, USA
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:22 am Post subject:
Which part of the politics? The current regime, or the system in general?
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Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Lebanon, Virginia, USA
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:27 am Post subject:
Well, as the old saying goes, you can't make an omelette without starting a land war against brown people . . .
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Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Lebanon, Virginia, USA
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:
I don't know that anyone would argue that the removal of Hussein, in a vacuum, is/was not a positive thing. Of course, said removal did not take place in a vacuum, since real life isn't like a physics problem (Example: Assume that the cow is a perfect cylinder . . . ).
I'll go to my grave believing that going in was the right thing to do, based on the intelligence at hand. People either forget or gloss over that the main issue was NOT the actual presence of wmds, but rather Hussein regime's unwillingness to allow access for the UN and the US to ascertain the presence or absence of the same.
Now, having said that, our force commitment was not what it should have been. We don't appear to have anticipated forces from outside Iraq joining in as they did. Worst of all, no one seems to care about the role of the Iranians in sustaining the conflict. I don't think we'll be able to put out the fire over there so long as we aren't prepared for armed incursion into Iran.
Worst of all, there is no diplomatic solution to any of this. So long as the U.S. supports Israel, we'll always have headaches out of the Islamic world. The U.S. can't stop supporting Israel for, well, lots of reasons, political, moral, etc.
Not sure what is going to happen, but I'm reasonably well convinced that at LEAST 90% of the candidates in the Decision 2008 field are ill-equipped to resolve the current situation.
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--“If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and I have a straw and my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake, I drink your milkshake! Thhhhht! I drink it up!” -Daniel Day-Lewis as Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood.
Now, having said that, our force commitment was not what it should have been. We don't appear to have anticipated forces from outside Iraq joining in as they did. Worst of all, no one seems to care about the role of the Iranians in sustaining the conflict. I don't think we'll be able to put out the fire over there so long as we aren't prepared for armed incursion into Iran.
I totally agree with ya
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Not sure what is going to happen, but I'm reasonably well convinced that at LEAST 90% of the candidates in the Decision 2008 field are ill-equipped to resolve the current situation.
You've a pretty hard decision deciding where your 2 cents is going.
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I'll go to my grave believing that going in was the right thing to do, based on the intelligence at hand. People either forget or gloss over that the main issue was NOT the actual presence of wmds, but rather Hussein regime's unwillingness to allow access for the UN and the US to ascertain the presence or absence of the same.
i agree with pretty much everything else you said but i don't think you can honestly say the main reason was Hussein and not allowing inspectors in. They were excuses which was added to falsified and incorrect intelligence. Bush himself only weeks before 9/11 was saying Iraq definitely had no WMD's. I hate been an 'anti-america' parrot but its fairly obvious the main reason was oil. it always is these days. America isn't the first nation to do it for those reasons and definitely wont be the last.There a much worse and more dangerous people in the world which the US either fund, ignore or do little about. Americans were fooled by the Bush regime. Going in was a bad decision which will probably have devastating consequences in the future......DUN DUN DUUUUUUNN
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Lebanon, Virginia, USA
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:
Can you help me trace the roots of the conflict from the word 'oil' to where we stand today?
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Bruce H. Russell, II
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-Quote of the moment:
--“If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and I have a straw and my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake, I drink your milkshake! Thhhhht! I drink it up!” -Daniel Day-Lewis as Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood.
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Castletroy, Co Limerick
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:52 am Post subject:
Forgive my butting in but the evidence does poin to this current conflict being, in part, a resource war. Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, (when he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton), that global oil demand would entail an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said. Iraq holds the world third largest oil reserve It seems that The US government has been drawing up a law, (Apparently a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday). It would allow companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and process. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/08/iraq-oil.html
I certainly believe that the conflict between muslim radicals would still exist in some form if the world was powered soley by hamsters in wheels but an expected growth in oil demand follwed by conserted appropriation of a huge reserve does suggest a premeditated plan. Also I firmly believe that US intelligence to be sufficiently competent to correctly ascertain the presence or lack of WMD.
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